Oh joj joj. Da's geen goede reclame inderdaad. Rasta heeft ook ooit een akkefietje gehad met AGB waar de goodkoopste premie uitermate duurkoop bleekt te zijn. AGB heeft ook voor mij afgedaan, het blijft vertrouwensbusiness, dat moet je kunnen vertrouwen, en dat heeft een prijs.bsc2200 wrote:Halve hartverzakking gekregen; mijn laatste (en na tig-aankopen voor hen dus de allerlaatste) aankoop bij AGB was dermate slordig ingepakt dat er een gele schijn door de omslag kwam. Eerst dacht ik nog dat het gezichtsbedrog was in het Postpunt waar ik het pakje ging ophalen. Bij nader inzien thuis werd het gesealde baartje gewoon met de factuur in de omslag gestoken. Slordig, erg slordig.
Voorheen werden de zaken keurig in een klein fluwelen beursje gestoken. Dat kost geld, akkoord maar hoeveel kost een klein stukje plakband zodat het baartje tussen de samengevouwen factuur blijft steken? Hoeveel kosten wat piepschuim korrels om de omslag te vullen?
Ik kan begrijpen dat ze veel te doen hebben maar bsc2200 zijn ze kwijt als trouwe klant....
de sealing was trouwens gescheurd, maar niet in die mate dat het baartje uit de verpakking kan geweest zijn
Hooimijt November 2011
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Rasta
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Re: Hooimijt November 2011
Eventually there will be an awakening, a balancing of the scales and a bill to be paid, and for that I hold gold - Jim Sinclair
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Re: Hooimijt November 2011
Dat herinner ik me nog van op het vorige forum, we hebben er nog enkele PB's over uitgewisseld. Als ik correct ben ging het bij jou over een gewichtsafwijking bij het 'huismerk'; mijn aankoop was van het bedrijf dat vroeger bekend stond als Union MinièreRasta wrote: Rasta heeft ook ooit een akkefietje gehad met AGB waar de goodkoopste premie uitermate duurkoop bleekt te zijn. AGB heeft ook voor mij afgedaan, het blijft vertrouwensbusiness, dat moet je kunnen vertrouwen, en dat heeft een prijs.
dus "London Good Delivery".Voor het goede begrip : staafje was OK, sealing was wel gescheurd over 1 cm, daar doen we niet moeilijk over; het was de manier van verzenden die veel te wensen overliet. Wie goede ervaringen heeft met PM-handelaars in Oost-Vlaanderen of Antwerpen mag het me steeds laten weten (al dan niet via PB)
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Re: Hooimijt November 2011
Correct, volgens de geijkte weegschaal was er 2% inhoud verdwenen in iemands zak.bsc2200 wrote:Dat herinner ik me nog van op het vorige forum, we hebben er nog enkele PB's over uitgewisseld. Als ik correct ben ging het bij jou over een gewichtsafwijking bij het 'huismerk'; mijn aankoop was van het bedrijf dat vroeger bekend stond als Union Minière
Voor het goede begrip : staafje was OK, sealing was wel gescheurd over 1 cm, daar doen we niet moeilijk over; het was de manier van verzenden die veel te wensen overliet. Wie goede ervaringen heeft met PM-handelaars in Oost-Vlaanderen of Antwerpen mag het me steeds laten weten (al dan niet via PB)
Eventually there will be an awakening, a balancing of the scales and a bill to be paid, and for that I hold gold - Jim Sinclair
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Persbericht via Reuters
UPDATE:
Nov 29 (Reuters) – Euro zone finance ministers agreed on Tuesday to increase the capacity of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) bailout fund.
Following is the text of a statement from the EFSF:
“Euro area finance ministers agreed on November 29 on the terms and conditions to extend EFSF’s capacity by introducing sovereign bond partial risk participation and a Co-Investment approach.
“Ministers also adopted amended EFSF guidelines concerning intervention in the primary and secondary debt markets and precautionary credit lines in order to use leverage.
“Klaus Regling CEO of EFSF commented: ‘Both options are designed to enlarge the capacity of the EFSF so that the new instruments available to the EFSF can be used efficiently.’
“Under the partial risk protection, EFSF would provide a partial protection certificate to a newly issued bond of a member state.
“The certificate could be detached after initial issue and could be traded separately. It would give the holder an amount of fixed credit protection of 20-30 percent of the principal amount of the sovereign bond.
“The partial risk protection is to be used primarily under precautionary programmes and is aimed at increasing demand for new issues of Member States and lowering funding costs.
“Under option two, the creation of one or more Co-Investment Funds (CIF) would allow the combination of public and private funding. A CIF would purchase bonds in the primary and/or secondary markets.
“Where the CIF would provide funding directly to member states through the purchase of primary bonds, this funding could, inter alia, be used by member states for bank recapitalisation. The CIF would comprise a first loss tranche which would be financed by EFSF.
“Chris Frankel CFO and Deputy CEO of EFSF commented: ‘Following extensive discussions with investors covering all types and geographical regions, a number of them have given their positive views and signalled their willingness to participate.’
“EFSF will now implement these two approaches to be ready early in 2012 to use them effectively in the context of the guidelines for the new instruments on market interventions.
“EFSF will be able to use both leverage options simultaneously. The final amount of “firepower” achieved through the use of the options will depend upon the concrete use and mix of the instruments and particularly the exact degree of protection between 20% and 30 percent.
“EFSF has currently a lending capacity of 440 billion and firm commitments regarding Ireland and Portugal totalling 43.7 billion euros.
“EFSF is also expected to finance a second aid programme for Greece and fulfil tasks such as financing recapitalisation of financial institutions in non-programme countries.
“Without knowing the exact amounts needed, EFSF should be able to leverage own resources of up to 250 billion. Deployment of either instrument using leverage will only be made following a request from a Member State. Any support from the EFSF will be linked to strict policy conditionality, monitoring and surveillance procedures.”
Nov 29 (Reuters) – Euro zone finance ministers agreed on Tuesday to increase the capacity of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) bailout fund.
Following is the text of a statement from the EFSF:
“Euro area finance ministers agreed on November 29 on the terms and conditions to extend EFSF’s capacity by introducing sovereign bond partial risk participation and a Co-Investment approach.
“Ministers also adopted amended EFSF guidelines concerning intervention in the primary and secondary debt markets and precautionary credit lines in order to use leverage.
“Klaus Regling CEO of EFSF commented: ‘Both options are designed to enlarge the capacity of the EFSF so that the new instruments available to the EFSF can be used efficiently.’
“Under the partial risk protection, EFSF would provide a partial protection certificate to a newly issued bond of a member state.
“The certificate could be detached after initial issue and could be traded separately. It would give the holder an amount of fixed credit protection of 20-30 percent of the principal amount of the sovereign bond.
“The partial risk protection is to be used primarily under precautionary programmes and is aimed at increasing demand for new issues of Member States and lowering funding costs.
“Under option two, the creation of one or more Co-Investment Funds (CIF) would allow the combination of public and private funding. A CIF would purchase bonds in the primary and/or secondary markets.
“Where the CIF would provide funding directly to member states through the purchase of primary bonds, this funding could, inter alia, be used by member states for bank recapitalisation. The CIF would comprise a first loss tranche which would be financed by EFSF.
“Chris Frankel CFO and Deputy CEO of EFSF commented: ‘Following extensive discussions with investors covering all types and geographical regions, a number of them have given their positive views and signalled their willingness to participate.’
“EFSF will now implement these two approaches to be ready early in 2012 to use them effectively in the context of the guidelines for the new instruments on market interventions.
“EFSF will be able to use both leverage options simultaneously. The final amount of “firepower” achieved through the use of the options will depend upon the concrete use and mix of the instruments and particularly the exact degree of protection between 20% and 30 percent.
“EFSF has currently a lending capacity of 440 billion and firm commitments regarding Ireland and Portugal totalling 43.7 billion euros.
“EFSF is also expected to finance a second aid programme for Greece and fulfil tasks such as financing recapitalisation of financial institutions in non-programme countries.
“Without knowing the exact amounts needed, EFSF should be able to leverage own resources of up to 250 billion. Deployment of either instrument using leverage will only be made following a request from a Member State. Any support from the EFSF will be linked to strict policy conditionality, monitoring and surveillance procedures.”
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Een Kat in het Nauw maakt Rare Sprongen
Zag Goud plots omhoog spurten en ontdekte dat'ie meeging op de EUR/USD.
Waarom lees je onderstaand ..... de DollarKraan gaat verder open, omdat de andere CB-kranen vast dreigden te raken ........
Markten reageren daar meestal positief op, zo ook dus nu, de risico kraan gaat weer open en daarin gaat het comex-goudpapier dus ook mee...
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Centrale banken grijpen in op geldmarkt
Laatste update: 30 november 2011 14:25
LONDEN - De belangrijkste centrale banken in de wereld nemen gezamenlijk maatregelen om de beschikbaarheid van liquide middelen in het financiële systeem te vergroten. Dat werd woensdag bekendgemaakt.
De centrale banken willen daarmee de spanningen op de geldmarkt tegengaan en de economische activiteit stimuleren.
De banken die meewerken aan het programma zijn de Amerikaanse Federal Reserve, de Europese Centrale Bank, de Bank of England, de Bank of Japan, de centrale bank van Canada en de Zwitserse centrale bank.
Leningen
De centrale banken gaan onder andere vanaf 5 december de rente voor leningen in dollars verlagen. Verder hebben de banken afgesproken dat ze makkelijker verschillende valuta’s aan elkaar kunnen uitwisselen waardoor banken in al deze landen kunnen lenen in verschillende valuta.
De ECB gaat ook regelmatig dollars beschikbaar stellen voor Europese banken in ruil voor onderpand.
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Waarom lees je onderstaand ..... de DollarKraan gaat verder open, omdat de andere CB-kranen vast dreigden te raken ........
Markten reageren daar meestal positief op, zo ook dus nu, de risico kraan gaat weer open en daarin gaat het comex-goudpapier dus ook mee...
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Centrale banken grijpen in op geldmarkt
Laatste update: 30 november 2011 14:25
LONDEN - De belangrijkste centrale banken in de wereld nemen gezamenlijk maatregelen om de beschikbaarheid van liquide middelen in het financiële systeem te vergroten. Dat werd woensdag bekendgemaakt.
De centrale banken willen daarmee de spanningen op de geldmarkt tegengaan en de economische activiteit stimuleren.
De banken die meewerken aan het programma zijn de Amerikaanse Federal Reserve, de Europese Centrale Bank, de Bank of England, de Bank of Japan, de centrale bank van Canada en de Zwitserse centrale bank.
Leningen
De centrale banken gaan onder andere vanaf 5 december de rente voor leningen in dollars verlagen. Verder hebben de banken afgesproken dat ze makkelijker verschillende valuta’s aan elkaar kunnen uitwisselen waardoor banken in al deze landen kunnen lenen in verschillende valuta.
De ECB gaat ook regelmatig dollars beschikbaar stellen voor Europese banken in ruil voor onderpand.
(bron) © ANP/
Everything that needs to be said has already been said.
But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
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Nog meer winst voor de Financiële Instellingen : Lenen bij de centrale banken tegen een bijna 0,00 % tarief en hiermee staatsobligaties kopen aan snel oplopende rentevoeten... Fiatwinst gegarandeerdIndiana Jones wrote:
Leningen
De centrale banken gaan onder andere vanaf 5 december de rente voor leningen in dollars verlagen. Verder hebben de banken afgesproken dat ze makkelijker verschillende valuta’s aan elkaar kunnen uitwisselen waardoor banken in al deze landen kunnen lenen in verschillende valuta.
De ECB gaat ook regelmatig dollars beschikbaar stellen voor Europese banken in ruil voor onderpand.
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Het winkeltje zal draaien, de financiën lopen gesmeerd 
De manier om de banken te herkapitaliseren op de kap van u en mij
Patience. Use the force. Think.
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Re: Hooimijt November 2011
Interessant artikel.... Kiezen tussen het IMF of de voor een Europese variant van de Chinese Mandarijn 
Link artikel
Snips :
According to recent reports, Merkel and Sarkozy have apparently agreed that if member states want to remain in the Euro monetary system, they must surrender their national sovereignty over spending and tax policies. Republican presidential candidate and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich commented on Nov 4th, “The European system is designed to block the people from having power. The elites in Europe work very hard at controlling the European people by indirect means. And it’s only when you get to referendums that you see how decisively the people of Europe are unhappy with the current governments,” he said. Having already surrendered their national currencies and decisions about interest rates to the ECB, it would be a fateful step to surrender fiscal policy.
In return for surrendering fiscal policy to Brussels, - Berlin and Paris, the key paymasters of the Euro-zone, would agree to the creation of a common Eurobond [/b]that would pool the credit ratings and collateral of all participating Euro-zone countries into a single fixed income instrument. Chancellor Merkel says that German borrowing costs will jump higher because of the creation of a Eurobond, though she is prepared to consider Eurobonds, if the legal framework is in place to ensure all countries in the zone observe the rules.
What Merkel wants to see at the December 9th EU summit is greater harmony of fiscal policies in the Euro-Zone, backed by legally enforceable rules of financial discipline.These would include automatic sanctions on countries that violate the existing rules, - such as annual budget deficits of member states cannot exceed 3% of GDP and that total public debt should be no more than 60% of the GDP. Every Euro-zone country has breached these rules, and many would be tempted to opt out of the Euro Club.
However,if big debtor nations such as Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy refuse to surrender their sovereignty over fiscal policy to Brussels, - the alternative could be the situation that Greece now finds itself – purgatory. About 19-years ago, the governments of Italy and Spain had to pay more than 13% for borrowing funds for ten years. Since joining the Euro currency however, 10-year bond yields for Italy and Spain averaged around 4.50%, until contagion sales from Greece reached their borders in the summer of 2011.
Once fiscal integration is agreed upon, Berlin is expected to agree to the creation of Eurobonds issued by member states that could be purchased in massive quantities (monetized) by the ECB. Countries would be liable for each others’ debts, but the ECB could make much of their debt disappear with its electronic printing press. Eurobonds would either be financed with higher taxes on the working class, through austerity measures, or through the inflationary effects of the ECB’s money printing machine. With French banks alone holding more of their debts than the entire €440-billion European Financial Stabilization Fund, a default by these countries would likely bankrupt the French financial system. Thus, Paris has been pushing hard for the ECB to monetize debt on a massive scale.
Once the ECB has the assurance that the Eurobonds are backed by a fiscal union, it could be ready to go all out, and easily buy 2-3-trillion Euros worth at anytime. Still, borrowing costs for existing German bunds would probably climb higher while interest rates for existing Italian debt might fall. Currently, Italy’s 10-year note yields +525-basis points more than German yields, but that spread could narrow, if Italy surrenders its fiscal sovereignty, as a way for the ECB to guarantee Italy’s debts. The ECB could promise to buy unlimited amounts of existing Italian bonds, should yields should rise to a certain identified level. Knowing that the ECB is ready to enforce a safety net under the Italian bond market, through massive intervention, could calm the situation and restore stability to the Milan stock exchange.
One of the alternative schemes that is under discussion is for the ECB and central banks in China, Japan, and elsewhere to lend to the International Monetary Fund, which in turn, could use the money to lend to Euro zone countries under market stress - backdoor QE. This would help the ECB side-step the legal problem of financing governments and also help impose IMF-type austerity on the recipients of the aid -- something the ECB cannot do now. One should never underestimate the scheming ability of Euro-zone politicians, which why the Euro currency itself has not fallen apart, as many analysts had predicted.
Link artikel
Snips :
According to recent reports, Merkel and Sarkozy have apparently agreed that if member states want to remain in the Euro monetary system, they must surrender their national sovereignty over spending and tax policies. Republican presidential candidate and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich commented on Nov 4th, “The European system is designed to block the people from having power. The elites in Europe work very hard at controlling the European people by indirect means. And it’s only when you get to referendums that you see how decisively the people of Europe are unhappy with the current governments,” he said. Having already surrendered their national currencies and decisions about interest rates to the ECB, it would be a fateful step to surrender fiscal policy.
In return for surrendering fiscal policy to Brussels, - Berlin and Paris, the key paymasters of the Euro-zone, would agree to the creation of a common Eurobond [/b]that would pool the credit ratings and collateral of all participating Euro-zone countries into a single fixed income instrument. Chancellor Merkel says that German borrowing costs will jump higher because of the creation of a Eurobond, though she is prepared to consider Eurobonds, if the legal framework is in place to ensure all countries in the zone observe the rules.
What Merkel wants to see at the December 9th EU summit is greater harmony of fiscal policies in the Euro-Zone, backed by legally enforceable rules of financial discipline.These would include automatic sanctions on countries that violate the existing rules, - such as annual budget deficits of member states cannot exceed 3% of GDP and that total public debt should be no more than 60% of the GDP. Every Euro-zone country has breached these rules, and many would be tempted to opt out of the Euro Club.
However,if big debtor nations such as Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy refuse to surrender their sovereignty over fiscal policy to Brussels, - the alternative could be the situation that Greece now finds itself – purgatory. About 19-years ago, the governments of Italy and Spain had to pay more than 13% for borrowing funds for ten years. Since joining the Euro currency however, 10-year bond yields for Italy and Spain averaged around 4.50%, until contagion sales from Greece reached their borders in the summer of 2011.
Once fiscal integration is agreed upon, Berlin is expected to agree to the creation of Eurobonds issued by member states that could be purchased in massive quantities (monetized) by the ECB. Countries would be liable for each others’ debts, but the ECB could make much of their debt disappear with its electronic printing press. Eurobonds would either be financed with higher taxes on the working class, through austerity measures, or through the inflationary effects of the ECB’s money printing machine. With French banks alone holding more of their debts than the entire €440-billion European Financial Stabilization Fund, a default by these countries would likely bankrupt the French financial system. Thus, Paris has been pushing hard for the ECB to monetize debt on a massive scale.
Once the ECB has the assurance that the Eurobonds are backed by a fiscal union, it could be ready to go all out, and easily buy 2-3-trillion Euros worth at anytime. Still, borrowing costs for existing German bunds would probably climb higher while interest rates for existing Italian debt might fall. Currently, Italy’s 10-year note yields +525-basis points more than German yields, but that spread could narrow, if Italy surrenders its fiscal sovereignty, as a way for the ECB to guarantee Italy’s debts. The ECB could promise to buy unlimited amounts of existing Italian bonds, should yields should rise to a certain identified level. Knowing that the ECB is ready to enforce a safety net under the Italian bond market, through massive intervention, could calm the situation and restore stability to the Milan stock exchange.
One of the alternative schemes that is under discussion is for the ECB and central banks in China, Japan, and elsewhere to lend to the International Monetary Fund, which in turn, could use the money to lend to Euro zone countries under market stress - backdoor QE. This would help the ECB side-step the legal problem of financing governments and also help impose IMF-type austerity on the recipients of the aid -- something the ECB cannot do now. One should never underestimate the scheming ability of Euro-zone politicians, which why the Euro currency itself has not fallen apart, as many analysts had predicted.
Patience. Use the force. Think.
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Re: Een Kat in het Nauw maakt Rare Sprongen
Obi-Wan wrote:Nog meer winst voor de Financiële Instellingen : Lenen bij de centrale banken tegen een bijna 0,00 % tarief en hiermee staatsobligaties kopen aan snel oplopende rentevoeten... Fiatwinst gegarandeerdIndiana Jones wrote:
Leningen
De centrale banken gaan onder andere vanaf 5 december de rente voor leningen in dollars verlagen. Verder hebben de banken afgesproken dat ze makkelijker verschillende valuta’s aan elkaar kunnen uitwisselen waardoor banken in al deze landen kunnen lenen in verschillende valuta.
De ECB gaat ook regelmatig dollars beschikbaar stellen voor Europese banken in ruil voor onderpand.
(bron) © ANP/
De manier om de banken te herkapitaliseren op de kap van u en mij
Die datum (zie quote) is kennelijk met veel zorg door Europa gekozen:
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But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
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Re: Hooimijt November 2011
Eurobonds NIET voor nieuwe leningen, zoals thans WEL gesproken wordt, maar 'slechts' voor de oude. Maar zoals gezegd .... is er al teveel gestapeld, dus ook voor de oude imo te laat. Het ESF kan zonder afwaardering deelnemers niet meer verhoogd worden en de ECB is bijna aan het eind van zijn Latijn, dus is Sinterklaas maar ingeroepen ....... welke stoute 'kindjes' zouden er straks in de zak moeten ? .....Obi-Wan wrote:Interessant artikel.... Kiezen tussen het IMF of de voor een Europese variant van de Chinese Mandarijn
Link artikel
Everything that needs to be said has already been said.
But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
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Re: Hooimijt November 2011
Misschien een idiote denkpiste...
1) Haal zoveel mogelijk spaargeld op bij de burgers (de ozo "voordelige" staatslening)
2) Is er voldoende spaargeld opgehaald....
3) Laat de POG stijgen.
4) Er gaat geen geld meer beschikbaar zijn om voor deze "trein" een ticketje 2de klas te kopen
1) Haal zoveel mogelijk spaargeld op bij de burgers (de ozo "voordelige" staatslening)
2) Is er voldoende spaargeld opgehaald....
3) Laat de POG stijgen.
4) Er gaat geen geld meer beschikbaar zijn om voor deze "trein" een ticketje 2de klas te kopen
Patience. Use the force. Think.