Hooimijt Oktober 2011

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doubleyou
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1/ amai, 't is hier van't weekend toch vrij rustig geweest precies.
Allemaal optimaal genoten van deze Indian Summer Days.

2/ gwyde, bedankt voor je link naar dat artikel van theaureport. Het is niet datgene waar ik op doelde, maar best interessant.

3/ cavajo, ik durf geen voorspellingen (meer) doen over de beurzen :?
te gevaarlijk, te moeilijk :lol:

4/ Off topic :
Voor degenen die het leuk vinden om te vertoeven in de hooimijt, maar daarnaast ook nog onroerend goed zoeken in onze europese hoofdstad Brussel, ik heb een project tegen het lijf gelopen met een leuke verwijzing...
http://www.hooikaai.be/?page=home&lang=nl
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cavajo wrote:Aks ik de samenvatting effe maak na de Europese top deel I :
morgen bloedrode beurzen ????
tenzij de logika weer ver te zoeken is.

Inderdaad, bloedrode beurzen want over wat zijn ze het eens: juist ja nog eens samenkomen om
een oplossing te vinden die er maar niet komt.
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Out there in the world today, a cabal of western central bankers is secretly determined to manipulate the world’s markets. They are doing this not via interest rates, but by rigging gold prices. More specifically, they have kept bullion prices artificially low in recent decades to ensure that our so-called fiat currency system – that is, money created by central banks – continues to work. For if the public ever knew the “real” price of gold, we would finally understand that our currencies, such as the dollar, are a sham … hence the need for that central bank plot.

Does this sound like the ranting of a Tea Party activist? A Hollywood screenplay? Or could there be a grain of truth in it? The question has been provoking hot debate among a small tribe of investors in America for many years, particularly those owning gold mining stocks. Right now it is also leaching into the more mainstream American political world.

As Republican candidates jostle ahead of the 2012 election, the question of whether America’s central bank has been debasing its currency – and how that is (or is not) linked to the value of gold – is cropping up with new force. Herman Cain, the former pizza executive who is now a popular Republican contender, hinted last month that he would like to return to a world where “a dollar is a dollar” and added that “yes, we do need a gold standard for that”. More recently, Newt Gingrich has voiced the same idea. Ron Paul, an outside Republican contender, has been lambasting the Federal Reserve for years over its easy money policies. He is now darkly warning of plots.

A group called American Principles in Action created a Gold Standard 2012 platform last year and is now fighting to make these issues an election issue next year. And on the extremes of the Republican party – and more libertarian circles of American life – a flock of theories about gold are now circling around, and taking root in the fertile soil of the internet.

I attended a dinner last week where Chris Powell, the treasurer of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (Gata), was talking. Powell, an investigative journalist based in Connecticut, co-established Gata with a former commodities trader two decades ago, and he is convinced that the American government has long been manipulating gold prices as a matter of national policy. “Gold is a currency that competes with government currencies and has a powerful influence on interest rates and the value of government bonds,” Powell explains. “This … is why central banks have tried to control – usually suppress – the price of gold.”

This rigging continues even today, he adds. Never mind the fact that the gold price has soared by 22 per cent in a year: to Gata it remains far below the “proper” – non-manipulated – price. Thus, when the gold price tumbled last month, Powell blamed this on central banks, who “meant to knock down the gold price at a crucial moment”. (Check out www.gata.org for the arguments in full.)

Unsurprisingly, central bankers vehemently reject this plot idea. Indeed, when I pressed some of them on it, they laughed. “I never heard anything about any plots during my time at the Fed – we barely talked about gold at all,” splutters one former Fed vice-chairman, who points out that the Fed does not actually own any gold itself. Or as a European banker says: “How could we have secret deals for years, but nothing ever leaked?”

For my money, though, I think there are at least two reasons why it would be foolish simply to deride or ignore Gata. Firstly, some of its points have at least a grain of truth. Even if you find it hard to believe that central bankers would be dastardly enough to create a plot – or competent enough to do what Gata claims – the fact is that global commodity markets are pretty murky, central banks are often opaque and western rhetoric about “free” markets is often hypocritical. Those issues merit far more debate, not just among journalists, but central bankers too.

Secondly, even if western elites hate these gold conspiracy theories – in fact, especially if they do – they need to recognise that they tap into a deep cultural vein. Right now, many western voters are profoundly frightened about the economy. They are also confused by its unpredictable and mysterious nature. Consequently, the idea of a central bank “plot” packs an increasingly powerful emotional appeal, and voters are hungry for explanations and scapegoats. In that sense, the work of Gata might be seen as an echo of the cargo cults that anthropologists study in the Pacific islands: something that offers pattern and meaning amid terrifying disorder.

Whatever the “truth” behind these plot tales, the one thing that is clear is that these accusations are unlikely to disappear soon. Not, at least, while the world’s economy remains so unstable and terrifying for ordinary mortals. Or, possibly, until that gold price really soars.

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3/ cavajo, ik durf geen voorspellingen (meer) doen over de beurzen :?
te gevaarlijk, te moeilijk :lol:

Ik probeer absoluut niet te voorspellen hoor.
maar de logika zou morgen wel eens dieprood kunnen zijn.
( meer niet ).
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cavajo wrote:Ik probeer absoluut niet te voorspellen hoor.
maar de logika zou morgen wel eens dieprood kunnen zijn.
( meer niet ).
Akkoord, en ik vrees nu al voor de Q3 cijfers die de europese banken ons binnenkort voorschotelen...er zal heel wat moeten afgeschreven worden.

En met de schuldencrisis-acceleratie de laatste weken - in october dus - van de europese feiten weten we nu al dat de bottom line in de cijfers van het lopende kwartaal niet rood, maar bloedrood zal zijn.
Afspraak daarover pas in februari 2012 of zo, maar ik vermoed dat er heel veel in dit kwartaal een opkuis wensen te doen, waardoor ze dan zogezegd opnieuw met een propere lei kunnen beginnen vanaf boekjaar 2012.

De banken zijn nog niet aan de nieuw patatten !
En vertrouwenscrisis alom dus.
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Dan toch nog rode cijfers?

http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/geld_beleggen ... 4-3452.art

De Europese beurzen zien in de middaghandel hun vroege winsten grotendeels verdwijnen. De ommekeer kwam er nadat de Europese ondernemersbarometer aangaf dat de eurozone op een recessie afstevent. Het is bang uitkijken naar de 'tweede ronde' van de eurotop, die woensdag die wél resultaat moet opleveren.
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James Turk - Goldmoney

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Bekijk de grafiek eens in zijn artikel.
Met zo'n faire prijs voor goud op dit moment...daar kunnen we ons in vinden.
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One of the primary reasons why Turk wanted to release this to the KWN readers globally is because he is often asked what is his basis for predicting $10,000 gold and higher in his King World News interviews. The following extraordinary piece is what resulted...

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/ ... 1,000.html

"The logic of the Gold Money Index is founded on one underlying principle – gold still is money. Things have value because of their usefulness, and gold’s value comes from its usefulness as money. It is money because the free-market makes it money. Consequently, governments cannot stop gold from having value, nor even stop gold moving in time from its present undervaluation to a fair valuation, which is presently over $11,000 per ounce."
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Zoekt iemand nieuw Grieks papier ?

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.
Rente Griekenland op 190%
door Harm Van Wijk

De 10-jaarsrente noteert rond 24% en de 2-jaarsrente staat inmiddels op 78%

http://de-beurs.nl/rente-griekenland-op-190/

-> Iemand die met zo'n rentevoeten - en dit op staatspapier - nog gelooft dat hij zijn volledig kapitaal terugkrijgt is een soepkieken. (dit om eens een frequent "Hille"woord te gebruiken, en hierbij maak ik dan ook gebruik om te verzoeken : wanneer neem je de draad echt terug op met je postings ?)
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Van "Yes, we can"

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naar "We can't wait"

Het banenplan van de Amerikaanse president Barack Obama mag dan wel in de Senaat tegengehouden zijn door de Republikeinen, de president heeft naar eigen zeggen nog verschillende troeven achter de hand om de economie op te krikken.

Het Witte Huis heeft aangekondigd dat tot het einde van het jaar elke week een nieuwe maatregel zal bekendmaken die het leven van veel Amerikanen gemakkelijker zal maken wat betreft huisvesting, onderwijs en de economie. Dat meldt de Amerikaanse krant The New York Times. Obama's nieuwe slogan voor deze inspanningen is: 'We can't wait'. Obama hoopt alvast dat die slogan meer aanslaat dan zijn 'Pass this bill'.

-> Ondertussen is er één zaak die in Amerika alvast op volle toeren draait...de printing sector...'t is te zeggen : "De money-printpress !"
Of dat de economie en de werkgelegenheid er écht bovenop helpt is een andere zaak.
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Hola Pola

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-> Gaan ze dat durven ? :o 8-) :o

American credit rating to be downgraded again

Only three months after Standard & Poor’s downgraded America’s credit rating, the other two top agencies — Moody’s and Fitch — could be considering a downgrade of their own in the very near future.
This news comes from a report out of one of the biggest names in the banking industry, Bank of America Merrill Lynch, issued on Friday.
"The credit rating agencies have strongly suggested that further rating cuts are likely if Congress does not come up with a credible long-run plan" to cut the deficit, Merrill's North American economist Ethan Harris writes in a report from last week.
"Hence, we expect at least one credit downgrade in late November or early December when the super committee crashes," adds Harris.


Volledig artikel :
http://rt.com/usa/news/credit-rating-do ... ittee-601/
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